TRINITY: The Best-Kept Secret

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Reme: So that’s what we’d do. And then of course in the winter when it snowed, we’d sometimes have to break up the ice in the water trough, so that the animals could eat, and transport bales of hay or alfalfa to windmill area, so the animals could eat. Open Minds with Regina Meredith," S20 Ep2, interview with Jacques Vallee and Paola Harris. Date unknown, but probably late 2022. I was able to access only a three-and-one-minute "preview" clip, in which Vallee and Harris summarize certain aspects of the "witness" testimony, including appearances of the purported aliens. Cahn, J. P. Cahn (September 1952). "The Flying Saucers and the Mysterious Little Men" (PDF). True. Archived from the original (PDF) on June 22, 2023 . Retrieved June 22, 2023. If that occurs in this case, then I would expect the promoters of the Trinity UFO crash story to seek to deflect attention away from the most damning and incontrovertible lies told by Reme Baca and Jose Padilla—for example, the revelations about New Mexico State Police officer Eddie Apodaca, or the evidence that Jose Padilla falsely claimed extensive service as a California Highway Patrol officer, or the documents that show that Reme Baca falsely claimed to be a close associate of Governor Dixy Lee Ray and imputed to Governor Ray actions that in the real world would have been serious federal crimes.

To what end? Vallée couldn’t say, any more than he could tell you the sound of one hand clapping. In his view, absurdity is an essential feature of the phenomenon. It fatigues the rational mind because the rational mind cannot ken it. As he put it to me recently, sometimes the phenomenon behaves like a dolphin: It plays with us. “It’s a lot smarter than we are, and it uses humor at another level,” he said. Jose: That’s just target practice; they set up targets, like bottles, and cans. I can understand city folks would have a hard time understanding this.

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I do not apologize for the formidable volume of the material linked here. The current elaborate version of the Trinity UFO crash tale has been constructed in layers over the past 20 years. The story has been entertained by some in the mainstream media and by some in the halls of Congress. In the dismantling of this hoax, the devil is indeed in the details. Reme: Too far from the crevice and it was getting dark. The military had been there, we saw them, but I don’t think they saw us. Reme: They were trying to update him in the use of computers as teaching tools. So in the process of doing that, he named some of his students that were in his class in the article, and omitted Jose and I. Jose and I discussed this.We thought he might be surprised that we were still around so I gave a call. Amidst the secrecy of closed doors and hushed corridors, the Los Alamos National Laboratory bore witness to an interstellar diplomacy like none before. Setimus, an alien presence awakened in the heart of Earth's research facilities, proved to be more than just a subject of mere curiosity. Engaging in erudite discourse with Earth's scientists, his benevolent disposition led him to be seen not just as a specimen, but as a guest - one accorded "diplomatic status." Reme: I can remember what they are, I got pictures, but I didn’t know what they meant then, and I still don’t know.

Many people have been helpful in sharing their time and expertise in helping me pursue specific lines of inquiry. Most of these people listed here helped me find historical materials that were instructive regarding one or another specific aspects of the case. I list those people here (except for a few helpers who desired anonymity) with deep appreciation. But, please heed—none of these people are in any way answerable for my assessments, opinions, characterizations, or conclusions, or for anything other than direct quotations attributed to them by name. I expect that some of them will disagree with some of my assessments, and some might even dispute some of my factual findings (but, I have the receipts). Reme: Then we were going in there, and we were going to go and see what we could find. We went there on a workday, before Faustino and Apodaca went with us.

A December 2010 interview is the only place I’ve found Harris even referring to the recovery of alien cadavers, and then only in passing—they are not mentioned in either edition of Trinity: The Best-Kept Secret. Nor have I come across any other interview in which Harris repeats her passing 2010 oblique reference to the pilot flying the alien bodies away. I have found no reference by Vallee to either the captured live alien or the recovered alien cadavers– even though, I again underscore, the information comes from a source that Vallee finds impeccable with regard to the overhead-pilot claim.

Yes, it was before they were very careful about any of this. And I asked Jose about this. He said that we were really sneaky. He said, “We were hiding.” Paola Harris: Because logically if the military had taken the creatures, they would also have had to show that they had been there in some way. In other words, they waited at least 24 hours before taking the craft. Paola Harris: That’s what he said? He did not think it was a weather balloon. But he never went one step further and said what was inside?November 2, 2003 by journalist Ben Moffet, the case was passed to me, journalist/researcher, Paola Harris in May 4, 2009. The desire to finally disclose the details and the kind invitation of Reme Baca, led me to fly to Gig Harbor in Washington State in the Northern part of the United States to interview witness Reme Baca and his wife, Virginia in July 2010. Consequently because he now lives in California, I interviewed Jose Padilla by telephone from the Baca house. During my two-day stay, I was able to see and photograph the piece that Jose extracted from the craft and study the detailed analysis of its composition done in Europe. This is a great podcast …. but i am hearing it in mono. Any chance of doing the future podcasts in stereo??? Wearing headphones … I am only hearing it in one ear which makes it difficult to listen to Reme: Yes, it was about 200 feet from us. However, there was smoke and dust, so it was not very clear. Perfect little French nerds weren’t, of course, the only types applying themselves to the UFO question in the ’50s. In the US, the Air Force had set up a public study called Project Blue Book. In Switzerland, the psychiatrist Carl Jung was finding himself “puzzled to death” by flying saucers. In his book on the subject, he likened UFOs to a “technological angel” or a “physicists’ miracle.” They were shaped like mandalas, he wrote, and seemed to have a similar effect on our psyche—a “symbol of wholeness” that appears in “situations of psychic confusion and perplexity.”